Doubting Bro

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  My family has known I'm an apostate

  by cognac in

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  i found out that my husband has not only gone to the elders, but has been going to members of my family about me over a period of a few years.

  this piece of news is just so depressing.

  i've been wondering how my family knew i didn't go and thats why so many of them have becoming more and more distant.

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  Doubting Bro

  Cognac,

  I agree with Min. I know my wife wants to tell the elders and my family but also has seen enough to know that that can go horribly wrong and make things worse. lShe wants me told her what would happen to me so we've come to an understanding.

  I understand your sense of betryal but it really sounds like he was trying to "save" you. It's tough all around. The cult makes them believe that the only way you won't die a horrible death at the Big A is to be a true believing JW. They don't understand boundaries because they are in a cult.

  Of course, all this adds additional stress and if you end up df'ed or da'ed, then both of you will have a decision. It chills me to realize that this religion continues to break up families. I'm so sorry you are having to deal with this.
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  Zone Visit feedback, from ones still in??

  by Crazyguy in

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  just wondering if any one has heard from ones still asleep, what their feedback has been and what comments have been made by the rank and file??.

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  Lots of jokes afterwards. My wife thought the remarks about if you are not a MS by 23 than something is wrong with you was mean spirited and not right. She also said that she thought most of the Morris remarks were his own opinion and he could have spoken about something encouraging instead of using the opportunity to put down people's clothes. In standing around with other women in her age group and younger (all of whom workout and love wearing yoga pants), they all thought it was stupid and they were going to continue wearing what they wear.

  On the downside, one of my wife's friends who suffers from depression felt awful afterwards and both my wife & I had to basically talk her off the ledge. Really sad that a meeting that was supposed to encourage became a trigger for a depressive episode.

  Tony you are a douche
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  Montreal Gazette: 'Homosexuals like you in tight pants,' JW leader says

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://montrealgazette.com/life/turning-the-page-homosexuals-like-you-in-tight-pants-jehovahs-witness-leader-says-reportsturning the page: 'homosexuals like you in tight pants,' jehovah's witness leader says reportsjillian page, montreal gazette more from jillian page, montreal gazette.

  published on: november 12, 2014 last updated: november 12, 2014 11:33 pm est.

  skin-tight pants are a no-no in public, church leader says,.

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  Awesome publicity. I know it was the topic of many jokes after the meeting last Sat.
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  NEW LEVY FORCED ON WITNESSES?

  by The Searcher in

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  have i missed a previous posting on this?

  sorry if this is old news.. just heard from someone whose meeting is on a tuesday evening; basically, 3 per publisher is to be levied to "replace" the kh insurance payment.

  the money will be used for damage, vandalism, & disasters, but also to protect any of the societies' entities.. .

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  I know that I've read somewhere that the self insured program was where the money that claims from pedophile victims came from. But then again, that's exactly where it should come from. Large corporate entities have various self insured vehicles that cover their property and/or casualty losses all the time. It's actually more cost effective than buying primary insurance.

  It hasn't changed. The letter generally talks about the program as being for property or liability losses at least here in the US. I'm sure the UK likely has different insurance laws.

  It's a business guys. I don't think it's that big of a deal since they aren't requiring an individual tithe (yet). Using a per publisher allocation seems to make the most sense to me. That's how I would do it if I were working on their insurance program.
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  NEW LEVY FORCED ON WITNESSES?

  by The Searcher in

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  have i missed a previous posting on this?

  sorry if this is old news.. just heard from someone whose meeting is on a tuesday evening; basically, 3 per publisher is to be levied to "replace" the kh insurance payment.

  the money will be used for damage, vandalism, & disasters, but also to protect any of the societies' entities.. .

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  Doubting Bro

  Been billing the self insurance allocation that way for years in the US. Cost per pub and the congregation forwards that amount.
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  Could it be the number of jw under 5 million?

  by Crazyguy in

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  i was thinking about this last night, in the year book they publish the number or peak and average publishers.

  as we know a publisher could simply be a child getting out in service regularly.

  if two parents baptized have to small children that are publishers then they are counted as four.

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  Hard to tell. You can be a baptized JW but inactive and not included in the publisher count. Or you can be an unbaptised publisher (read JW child).

  I know in the congregation here locally, there are probably around 10-15 unbaptized publishers and maybe 5 - 10 inactive. It likely washes if you include those who are technically JWs but completely faded.
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  That does it ! I'm leaving ! ! !

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

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  leaving the university with my degree!.

  exams are finished and it's just a matter of days before i walk.. i was certainly stressed about doing this.

  i'm older than my classmates and armageddon was sooooo close!

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  Billy,

  Sorry I missed this earlier but congratulations!!! Well done
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  Why doesn't the GB make field service optional for certain congregation members only similar to the Mormons?

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ephesians 4:11 makes for a strong case that not every member of the congregation should have to go door-to-door.. "so christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers,..".

  this shows that different members of the first century congregations served different ministerial functions.

  so why don't the jw's say that field service is no longer compulsory for all congregation members, only for those who feel a calling for it per eph 4:11..... the mormons sort of do this with their young men and women 'elders' doing 2 years voluntary, genuinely full-time service (these mormons boys put in some big hours 6 days a week and have their meals provided for them, etc!

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  We all know that the door to door work is unbelievably inefficient and largely ineffective at getting new recruits in developed countries. We also know the reason for turning in slips each month is for the elders to assess which individuals are "spiritual" (in other words fully with the cult) and which are "weak".

  I think the overall reason for continuing field service as we know it is to: 1) make a claim of being unique (not exactly true but whatever), 2) to reinforce an us vs them sort of attitude since most folks hate JWs coming to their doors, and 3) provide an easy method to assess whether or not men are committed enough to give them local leadership positions.

  You could certainly figure out another way to accomplish #3, but #1 & 2 are much harder. You'd have to replace field service with an unequally uncomfortable task and I can't think of anything more uncomfortable than going to a strangers hous and peddling religion. And that's way the door to door work will not go away. Change? Yes, it already is changing. Tract campaigns, using the WTS website, etc. Go away? Not in my lifetime.
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  Article: JW woman (19) - receives 29-month sentence for killing her newborn

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  morales receives 29-month sentence.

  http://m.record-eagle.com/news/local_news/article_402b8194-2f32-53a5-af1e-fbe9ba9bd76b.html?mode=jqm.

  by matt troutman [email protected] | posted7 days ago.

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  What a tragic event.
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  AGM 2014 Detailed Highlights - including talks summary.

  by Da.Furious in

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  it is more likely to be one attack under different names.. gog of magog is not satan but a coalition of nations.

  1. what do talents represent?

  so who has the 5 talents?

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  But it does call into question the 1919 appointment. I need to re-read this because it seems confusing. Maybe when the WT article comes out it will be a little clearer what they are trying to say.

  Wait, the overlapping generation makes even less sense so the theory that they really are making this up as they go along without worrying about how it fits into current theology is probably the answer.